RE: UNCUT Online JP feature...

["Joe Armendariz" <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I like this line of reasoning.

-----Original Message-----
From: admins-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx [mailto:admins-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Thomson
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:32 PM
Cc: zeppelin
Subject: Re: UNCUT Online JP feature...

Yes, well he's been going around saying that for a few years now. As I 
and others have pointed out before, it certainly doesn't hurt sales to 
contend that Led Zeppelin is the backing band. My understanding is that 
Jimmy did play on the Hurdy Gurdy Man ***album*** but not on the title 
track.

Besides, if you listen to the phrasing on the guitar solo and compare it

to everything else Page was doing in those days, it just doesn't have 
any of his signature riffs, patterns, or stock "vocabulary." Listen to 
his work in the Yardbirds Little Games & Live at the Anderson Theatre 
albums, Joe Cocker's With A Little Help From My Friends album and of 
course the 1st LZ album. All of these share certain patterns and riffs. 
I hear none of that on HGM. In fact, the slow, delayed bends on HGM 
remind me much more of Clapton's solo on While My Guitar Gently Weeps. 
The fuzz sound is incredible but even there it doesn't sound quite the 
same as Page's Telecaster through the tonebender and Supro.

As for the Uncut article, well, we've seen how the press lately has 
morphed and twisted facts to create stories that bend the truth, such as

Jason's statement about working with Jimmy and John Paul on some new 
project that's as yet undefined suddenly turning into Led Zeppelin in 
the studio recording their next LP, or Jones and Page talking about a 
new project that will not be called Led Zeppelin turning into Led 
Zeppelin going on tour with a replacement singer.

In the end, I trust John Paul Jones' word. This guy comes across as one 
of the most level-headed, with the least amount of fried brain cells in 
the business. If he says it was Alan Parker, I believe him. As for the 
notion that Bonzo was on the HGM album, we've discussed that here a few 
times as well. It would go against all the accepted and recounted 
stories of how Led Zeppelin got together as told by the members of the 
band themselves. There is no evidence whatsoever that John Bonham played

on HGM other than Donovan's assertion. What do you think will sell some 
extra compilation albums or DVDs, saying Clem Cattini was on drums or 
John Bonham (no offense to Clem, he is a legendary figure in popular 
music having played on many important pieces of music, but he hasn't 
attained the stature of Bonzo).

Joe Armendariz wrote:
> >From the Uncut article about Jimmy with Donovan:
>
> Many people have said over the years how important that session of
John
> Paul Jones, Jimmy Page and me - and maybe Bonham, who said he was
there
> - doing 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' was. I was developing a story-telling thing,
> and I wanted power-chords, because I'd obviously heard Dave Davies and
> Hendrix, and knew Pete Townshend. Originally I wanted to give 'Hurdy
> Gurdy Man' to Hendrix, but he couldn't come in. So Mickie Most
suggested
> Jimmy. [Musical director] John Cameron told him, "All you've got to do
> is listen to Donovan's guitar. Although it's acoustic, the way he's
> hitting it is the way the power-chords would go." Rather than plug in,
I
> was hitting driving chords on the acoustic in such a way that they
buzz.
> So I guess Page listened. Jimmy added power and pagan rock. To this
day,
> everyone wants that sound. And John Paul Jones arranged it, he gave
the
> shapes to those sounds. And of course we really should have stopped
the
> guitar solo, because I had another verse to sing that George Harrison
> had given me. But when we heard this thing that Page was doing coming
> out, we just said, "Keep playing..." That might have been the first
> power-chord solo. Mickie Most's office in Oxford Street had an
adjoining
> door to Peter Grant's. Maybe the band heard how 'Hurdy Gurdy Man'
> went...and why are we doing sessions when we can do this? And they
> became the greatest Pagan British Rock Band.
>
> Clearly Donovan leaves the impression that Jimmy was the guitar player
> on Hurdy Gurdy Man.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wyatt Brake [mailto:wyattbrake@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:40 PM
> To: Joe Armendariz
> Cc: zeppelin
> Subject: Re: UNCUT Online JP feature...
>
> This has been discussed multiple times on FBO.  A quick search turned
> up this result, with an email supposedly from JPJ.  I believe Jones is
> quoted elsewhere confirming that he was the one who booked the
> session, so he would know exactly who played on the track.
>
> http://www.coda-uk.co.uk/clem_cattini.htm
>
> Hurdy Gurdy Man - Donovan
>
> Funny I should be asked about "Hurdy Gurdy Man". I spoke to John Paul
> Jones who played bass on it and was the MD. The guitar player was Alan
> Parker. American Web sites say that John Bonham and Jimmy Page played
> on it. This is absolute Bullshit as JPJ said. This is the e-mail sent
> BY JPJ:
>
> TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
>
> I have been contacted by Clem Cattini with regard to Donovan's Hurdy
> Gurdy Man
> I would like to confirm that the musicians on the record were as
follows
>
> Donovan Accoustic Guitar
> John Paul Jones Arrangement/Musical Director and Bass Guitar
> Alan Parker Lead (electric) Guitar
> Clem Cattini Drums
>
> No other musicians were involved in this session
> The session was produced by Mickie Most and engineered by Eddie
Kramer.
>
> John Paul Jones
> London 05/2005
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Joe Armendariz
> <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   
>> who is it?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: admins-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx [mailto:admins-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Thomson
>> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:15 AM
>> Cc: zeppelin
>> Subject: Re: UNCUT Online JP feature...
>>
>> Yep, too bad it's not Jimmy.
>>
>> Joe Armendariz wrote:
>>     
>>> listening to Hurdy Gurdy Man...amazing guitar sound!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: admins-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx [mailto:admins-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx] On
>>> Behalf Of Nech
>>> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:13 AM
>>> To: zeppelin
>>> Subject: UNCUT Online JP feature...
>>>
>>> http://www.uncut.co.uk/music/jimmy_page/special_features/12529
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