Re: runnin' with the devil

[Paul Hammond <pauleh@xxxxxxx>]

Actually, the melodic passage Page plays is exactly the same but in a different 
key - F maj pentatonic - as opposed to A maj, and Jimmy plays it in three 
positions running down in octaves, which would make it sound different. Also, 
Franny does not repeat it in "Goofin' Around", but intersperses other jazz 
swing riffs around the melodic passage I was referring to - it is the exact 
same riff that Page is playing during the time you specified in the video you 
referenced, only Page plays it in a different key and repeats it, hence your 
perception that it is different. Check the the "Goofin" video at exactly :46 
and :51, That is the riff, just played quickly, with other notes on either 
side. If you learn that one six note run and repeat it in three octaves you 
have the passage you referenced in the Zep vid. I learned both and they are the 
same fingering even to start, but it changes on the two lower octaves. Learn it 
and you will see what I am talking about. If I get a chance I could record them 
and show you, it's quite simple actually, but it is very quick and you have to 
have a good ear and chops to realize what they are actually playing. Hope this 
helps! Cheers, PH

On Dec 14, 2009, at 10:15 AM, zepcontent@xxxxxxx wrote:

> 
> 
> Paul thank you very much for your interest and help sussing this  out
> 
> When you  mentioned Franny in your original reply I looked him  up and the 
> first vid that I watched happened to be  Goofin  Around
> 
> Not knowing the song I figured from the title that a little bit of  
> everything was going to be in it
> 
> It was great
> It led me to listen to  plenty of Franny Beecher that's available on the net
> 
> Bill Haley and  his  Comets were an  obvious influence and required 
> learning /  covering for any of the late 50's early 60's aspiring Brit groups 
> and 
> Frannys  playing was a direct influence on the guitarist
> 
> JP played on See You  Later Alligator during his sessions days
> for Wayne Gibson and The Dynamic  Sounds
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVs3cSHAGSs
> 
> However I must  respectfully disagree that at :43 of Goofin Around is the 
> same as what JP plays  in the boogie section of WLL
> 
> Perhaps it could be argued that JP may have  embellished and enhanced the 
> FB lick
> or thought "what would Franny  do?"
> but to my ears  they're too dissimilar in this case
> 
> JP  Boogie
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHKE2MnF1E8&feature=related
> ^  from about 3:04 to 3:18
> 
> FB Goofin'
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqunRXAP6bI_ 
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqunRXAP6bI) 
> 
> 
> I also was listening to a lot of Joe Maphis and Larry  Collins
> thinking it might have been something they played  but couldn't  find it
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxM8ot0tjrg
>