Re: Re: runnin' with the devil

[cathy kelty <catharinak@xxxxxxxxxx>]

  Very cool, thanks for sharing that!  I'm really enjoying this
  discussion, too.

  Ahhh, music... :-)

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  Believe.

  On Dec 15, 2009, Paul Hammond <pauleh@xxxxxxx> wrote:

    One of my favorite movies to watch when my daughter was young was
    Disney's "Melody Time" during the segment known as "Bumble
    Boogie" between 1:13 and 1:18 there is a breakdown which is very
    similar to what you are referring to, but with out the min3,
    Maj3, Perf5, Maj6, root run. Is it just coincidental that it also
    has "Boogie" in the title? It seems that exact type of call and
    response exists in boogie woogie piano playing and in swing jazz
    or big band.

    "Bumble Boogie"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qadNbrkc20


    Check this vid out at 3:34 t0 3:40 - I think you are talking
    about something similar to this too, but this doesn't have the
    min3, Maj3, Perf5, Maj6, root run. The blonde woman singing def
    leaves an impression on the listener and the viewer! After
    combing a bunch of swing jazz I still can't find the same musical
    passage that Franny plays in Blue Comet Blues - which is the lick
    Page is playing, I wonder if somehow he morphed them. Being that
    Franny played with Benny Goodman I figured that it was a good
    place to start. Also remember - Bill said that Franny was
    responsible ie: the first, for morphing swing jazz into rock and
    roll guitar playing. No small feat, and as I listen to all the
    swing jazz horn lines I hear how some rock guitar riffs are based
    upon them. Still haven't found that min3, Maj3, Perf5, Maj6, root
    run though - maybe was not as generic pre Franny as you might
    think. Still digging and enjoying every minute of it!
    "How A Song Was Born"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amug2YDZGAc&feature=related

    Both these videos are worth watching in their entirety for
    amusement sake alone. The pre-pyschedelia in "Bumble Boogie" is
    awesome! 1948!
    And on your aside - I'll take musical discussions any day over
    who said what to who and why! PH

    On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:23 AM, zepcontent@xxxxxxx wrote:

    >
    >
    > Moby Dick from TSRTS
    > at 1:00
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JvHlwO_lNQ
    > Jimmy ends the phrase with an upward bend but on the way there
    he takes
    > us on a small part of the path in which we have been speaking
    > IMO (however varied)
    >
    >
    > Moby Dick from LZ II
    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4YpOclKmLs
    > at about : 52
    >
    > I site those examples as well as Darlene to indicate that it is
    part of
    > Jimmy's DNA
    > however altered and not quite the same at any given permutation
    >
    > indeed it is those "not quite the sames" that we love
    > isn't it?
    >
    > every member of Zep had that
    >
    > In the WLL boogie
    > Jimmy's way of playing it has it's own unique identifying
    rhythm
    >
    > and I'm sorry
    > I can't credit Franny or anybody with something like
    > min3, Maj3, Perf5, Maj6, root
    > that's more generic and universal than aspirin
    >
    > it is very possible that JP's elaboration of something simple
    and generic
    > is his own
    > and it fits so well that it just seems to have come from
    something
    > standard
    >
    > here's a contemporary example
    > take the Foo Fighters "Wheels"
    > instant hit-
    > part of the reason -
    > it sounds familiar
    > it sounds like 1,000 other songs but not quite like any one of
    them
    > if you know what I mean
    >
    > the repetitive thing that JP does is part of what so provoking
    > it sounds as if it could have come from a brass vs woodwind
    call and
    > response from Glenn Miller or Benny Goodman or Louie Jordan
    or..... on and on
    > and on
    > and Jimmy is playing all the parts
    >
    > and maybe that's just it
    > a false musical memory because it just fits so well within a
    genre
    >
    > I'm anxious to find out Bill's opinion as well
    >
    > after all this is just as interesting as discussing as whether
    or not
    > Plant
    > is really the arsehole he seems to be ;)
    >