Re: Astbury's slip of the lip

["Steve Sauer" <sauerlemon@xxxxxxxxx>]

RJ said:
In the 70's did anyone open for LZ

You mean other than music festivals in 1970... Or Milan 1971 when they
didn't even realize there was anyone else on the bill.

At outdoor events, yes. Rick Derringer, Joe Walsh, the Pretty Things,
Judas Priest, Chas & Dave, Roy Harper, Todd Rundgren's Utopia,
Fairport Convention, the Tubes, Ron Wood's New Barbarians, just a few
of the names that come to mind at least as having been scheduled to
share the bill with Led Zeppelin in the 1970s.

These I mentioned were in San Diego '72, Oakland '75 (scheduled but
not played), Oakland '77 and Knebworth '79.

Steve "The Lemon"



On 11/21/07, RJ Edwards <edwardrj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> In the 70's did anyone open for LZ..........
>
> 3 hours of music from Zeppelin is enough for most people.
>
> I think this is very very very wishful thinking from The Cult.
>
>
> RJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Thomson" <stevethomson_mtl@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <zeppelin@xxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Astbury's slip of the lip
>
>
> > Steve,
> >
> > You're saying what I've been saying lately too. It
> > doesn't have to be an either-or thing. The
> > longstanding excuse Plant and to a lesser extent Jones
> > have always given for no Zeppelin has been no Bonzo.
> > Plant opened the door slightly in 2003 when he said he
> > was just a singer and was waiting for Jones and Page
> > to come up with viable new music, but other than that,
> > it's been the same old refrain. Now that they've come
> > to the conclusion that with Jason on drums, they can
> > in fact be considered "Led Zeppelin", there is no
> > valid excuse for not doing it other than "this kind of
> > music is not where I'm at any more" or else "I don't
> > like these people." Plant could conceivably want to
> > continue the bluegrass exploration, but as far as SS
> > goes, he portrayed it as doing the Zeppelin
> > exploration of new music thing without Led Zeppelin
> > simply because LZ wasn't available. Now a form of LZ
> > IS available.
> >
> > This being said, as I wrote before, there's nothing to
> > stop him doing SS, Krauss or whatever style work at
> > one point then popping into the studio or onstage with
> > Jason, John and Jimmy for a Zeppelin project, just as
> > Allison could easily do here project with Percy then
> > do a Union Station album. In other words, Led Zeppelin
> > is his "traditional music outlet" just as US is hers.
> > It's all a matter of will. If Plant (or the others)
> > stops looking at Led Zeppelin as this monster or
> > albatross from the past and views it as a viable
> > musical vehicle then to quote Percy "nothing is
> > impossible and there are a thousand futures."
> >
> > As for Astbury, I think it's probably a case of
> > someone in his entourage maybe saying, "Hey if LZ does
> > a tour let's try to get the openin spot." and then
> > Astbury tries to engage in a form of self-fulfilling
> > prophecy. I don't mind the Cult. They were a bit
> > pretentious at times, but still provided a welcome
> > jolt of rock throughout the glossy haze of the 80's. I
> > don't think Zeppelin, if touring, would go for a band
> > with that style opening for them. Something a bit more
> > obscure, artistically challengining or world-music
> > related would perhaps be cooler. I think it would also
> > be less likely to nudge Percy towards another of his
> > "damn I don't want to play these big cold arenas
> > anymore" moments like he had at the end of '98.
> >
> > We'll see....
> >
> > --- Steve Sauer <sauerlemon@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh, I don't know. I can't fault Billboard for
> >> digging up that
> >> quotation from Jimmy Page in 2003. I find it
> >> completely relevant.
> >>
> >> He said you never know, it could happen under the
> >> right circumstances.
> >> Those circumstances are pretty much in the here and
> >> now. Not
> >> completely, as you'll see. I can identify at least
> >> eight potential
> >> roadblocks:
> >>
> >> 1. This Dec. 10 show has to come off with a hitch.
> >>
> >> 2. The guys have to remain energetic and devoted.
> >>
> >> 3. The guys have to stay healthy.
> >>
> >> 4. The guys have to identify with a genuine reason
> >> to do more
> >> collaboration. This isn't a simple one!! "Do it for
> >> the fans" isn't
> >> good enough.
> >>
> >> 5. Plant has to be able to expand continually, be it
> >> with Alison
> >> Krauss for the time being or the Strange Sensation
> >> for the long run.
> >>
> >> 6. The other guys have to respect that.
> >>
> >> 7. The other guys have to realize that they are free
> >> to complete their
> >> own side projects (Jason with Foreigner, Jonesy with
> >> solo album, Jimmy
> >> with the world wide open).
> >>
> >> 8. They have to give 100% when they're in Led
> >> Zeppelin, and if that
> >> takes up three months out of a year, then they are
> >> free to do whatever
> >> else the other nine.
> >>
> >> Anything else???
> >>
> >> I mean, there's no given that Led Zeppelin will tour
> >> in 2008 with the
> >> Cult or with anybody. Sure, they may have venues
> >> booked already, but
> >> there's no real penalty for pulling out of a show or
> >> tour to which you
> >> haven't committed.
> >>
> >> I think Page's quote from 2003 stands up. It just
> >> goes to show you,
> >> though, that when you plug it in, it takes a lot
> >> more than just
> >> personalities jelling and music jelling. It takes
> >> understanding and
> >> cooperation and sacrifices. These guys just have to
> >> be up for the
> >> challenge.
> >>
> >> Steve "The Lemon"
> >>
> >> On Nov 21, 2007 9:43 AM, TangerineMan
> >> <tangerineman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > Even Billboard mag is running with this now:
> >> >
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/3amq35
> >> >
> >> > Although they recycle the same quotes from Page
> >> that we've been
> >> > reading for the past few days, and even dip back
> >> into 2003 for more
> >> > Jimmy quotes about the possibility of touring.
> >> >
> >> > Not very credible, if you ask me...
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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