RE: A quick visit to the mothership

[Steve Thomson <zeppelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The most obvious is that it will not have anything on
the back of the case saying "remastered by Jimmy Page"
or "remastered by Jimmy Page and George Marino". It
will often have a paragraph on the back about the
"limitations of an analog recording." This was a
standard text that appeared on a lot of CDs when they
first came out in the 80's.

These original LZ releases show up quite a bit in used
CD stores 1. because they sold a lot of them, and 2.
because of remasters. People always think remasters
are better than originals. This isn't always the case,
but hey, to each his or her own.

There's a good discussion going on over at the Steve
Hoffman forum about these original CDs (Barry Diament
is actually participating). I've posted pics of the
original LZIV and ITTOD here:

http://tinyurl.com/25xq6z

and a list of catalog numbers here:

http://tinyurl.com/2648qb

Enjoy!
--- pfiskio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> How can you tell that the CD is by Barry Diament?
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter
> ---- Steve Thomson <zeppelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > The Diament CDs are about as close as you'll get
> on CD
> > to the sound of the original LPs. Barry is a
> regular
> > on the Hoffman forum and has discussed his work on
> the
> > original Zeppelin CDs. He basically took the tapes
> and
> > converted them to digital with no compression and
> very
> > light EQ. If there was hiss on the original tape,
> > there was hiss on the CD. Generally removing hiss
> > means removing some of the original sound. Plus it
> can
> > end up making the recording sound like it was done
> in
> > a vacuum and not a real space. 
> > 
> > Barry did mention that he had the EQed safety
> copies
> > for a couple of the CDs (Presence and ITTOD) which
> > means these were the tapes EQed for vinyl
> production.
> > Plus, he didn't do the 4th album. That was done by
> a
> > guy named Joe Sidore at Atlantic in LA. 
> > 
> > It's important to listen to these in context. If
> you
> > put on some bright, post 2000 recording and then
> > switch to them, they sound dull, but on their own
> and
> > especially cranked, they sound great!
> > 
> > I would especially recommend Barry's original
> House of
> > the Holy. There really is no contest for this one
> at
> > all. If you compre the intro to the Rain Song for
> > example, Barry's is wide and rich with ringing
> > acoustic guitar. The Marino remaster is narrower
> and
> > kinda muffled, the result of hiss reduction. Ditto
> > OTHAFA. 
> > 
> > In fact, I'd recommend the originals for II, IV,
> HOTH,
> > PG and ITTOD. These are the albums where the
> > differences are most apparent. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Eddie Lombardi <elombardi70@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > You've heard the Barry Diament cds...hwo do
> these
> > > songs compare so far?
> > > 
> > > I don;t want to get a whole new load of
> remastered
> > > cds if the Barry originals are still the best.
> > > 
> > > Eddie
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:49:54 -0500
> > > > From: zeppelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: RE: A quick visit to the mothership
> > > > To: elombardi70@xxxxxxxxxxx; zeppelin@xxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > Actually one of the articles I read last night
> > > claimed
> > > > that Jimmy has been hard at work over the past
> > > while
> > > > sitting in with John Davis going through the
> > > entire
> > > > catalog with a complete reissue set for next
> year.
> > > > Whether that's true or not remains to be seen,
> but
> > > > given the more iPod-friendly sound of these
> tracks
> > > on
> > > > MS, it would be strange if the other tracks
> don't
> > > > match the new sound. I'm a subscriber to Yahoo
> > > Music,
> > > > which allows one to listen online to complete
> > > songs.
> > > > They usually have the same releases as iTunes
> > > after a
> > > > short waiting period, so it'll be interesting
> to
> > > check
> > > > out the other Zep tracks such as Ten Years
> Gone,
> > > Bring
> > > > It On Home, Four Sticks, etc., to see what
> Davis
> > > does
> > > > with these.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Eddie Lombardi  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the review Steve. I'm not going to
> > > >> bother with this collection though. I'm happy
> > > with
> > > >> my previous masters and I'm tracking down the
> > > Barry
> > > >> versions.
> > > >>
> > > >> At least we might have a chance at some good
> > > vinyl.
> > > >> I hope they do a complete re-issue campaign.
> > > >>
> > > >> Eddie
> > > >>
> > > >>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:21:57 -0500
> > > >>> From: zeppelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>> Subject: A quick visit to the mothership
> > > >>> To: zeppelin@xxxxxxxx
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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