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Re: Ahmet Ertegun in coma

    I know I don't need to do this, but I don't have anything better
to do anyway. Regarding my comment that Rev. Sam referred to below
(which was in response to another's comment about edible undies):

.............-Edible or not, I would eat those off of her. Even though her feet
-could use a little scrubbing.
  -     Cosmic
(a post about eating a womans pants off.. not offensive at all)..........

I was just making somewhat of a tongue in cheek
comment................or tongue in *something* anyway. heh, heh  ;-)
Seriously though, sorry if it offended anyone other than Rev. Sam
(Zeppelinite). Also, I didn't figure I was alone in finding his post
about Ahmet to be rather brash and cold. He brought up the subject of
grandmothers, and whether it's just being honest or not, I'm sure he
wouldn't appreciate someone referring to *his* grandmother the way he
referred to Ahmet.
    Also, about wishing someone well whom one doesn't even know
"personally"..........that's just shite.........I don't know Jimmy
personally, but does that mean when he falls ill that I shouldn't wish
him well, or in the future when he dies, not mourn his death? Just
because one doesn't have a personal and intimate knowledge of someone,
doesn't mean one can't appreciate a person for what they've done in
life. Just as I was saddened when Jack Palance (Have Gun Will Travel,
Ripley's Believe it or Not) died recently. He had touched my life as
do many people whom I'm never met.
    As far as keeping the posts here on the list on topic (all
business) and not personal in any way, well I don't see how anyone can
read posts from people on a near daily basis (getting to know them
along the way), and never feel anything personal about any of it.
Sometimes it's easy to forget that this is a "Led Zeppelin"
information only list, posting something off topic along the way. The
music of LED ZEPPELIN is, in and of itself, "personal" to me, and I
think our community *is* a personal one. Not a business, but a
passion.

             Later,
                   CosmicEnergyº°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø


On 11/17/06, Ron Koms <ronkoms@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Sorry my good friends at FBO for say this but,

Zeppelinite is just being Zeppelnite, a 100% complete asshole.  The list
will be Sooooo, much better without him....
God, man, just read the hate in most of his posts...  The dude has
issues....

Ron


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owners-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owners-zeppelin@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Zepplinite@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:44 PM
> To: tytlane@xxxxxxxxxxxx; zeppelin@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Ahmet Ertegun in coma
>
> In a message dated 11/17/2006 7:23:46 AM Pacific Standard
> Time, tytlane@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> -Sam,
>
>   -You rant about about people's posts yet it seems like the
> last few -from you have been completely off topic and now,
> just downright offensive.
> -I think I echo others' sentiments when I say take your
> pissed off -attitude and give it a rest.
>
> -Nech
> I think you should let other's sentiments be expressed by
> them. Offensive? If you're that thin skinned then I suppose
> it could be.
>
> Also, I'm not sure who made you Nech, or anyone, the
> moderator of this list.
> Notice that I haven't had any rants on other people posting
> off topic lately?
> People got tired of hearing it so I stopped.
>
> For some reason me posting a few off topic posts in the last
> few days is unacceptable but other people do it on a daily
> basis and it's just peachy. That's why this list has been
> going downhill for years now. I think I echo others'
> sentiments when I say that people get tired of a small
> handful of regulars posting and if you oppose their view then
> to hell with you. Why do we have, what, over fifteen hundred
> members, yet only four or five ever post?
>
> Since it was brought up that my off topic posts are
> unwelcome, let me then ask why my one or two off topic posts
> lately aren't ok but in just the last day or two I can come
> up with several examples from other people.
>
> -I will be watching with bated breath from Ann Arbor...may
> the best team -win...
>
> -GO BLUE!
> -Lisa
> (a post about a college football game, but that's just fine)
>
> -Edible or not, I would eat those off of her. Even though her
> feet -could use a little scrubbing.
>     -     Cosmic
> (a post about eating a womans pants off.. not offensive at all)
>
> -OH man..Jeremy..roflmfao...you got me cracking up now...ok,
> THAT  was a funny -comment.
> -I gotta keep this one...it's too funny. Maybe it's just  how
> it struck me, -but I'm still laughing!!!!!
> -V
> (sorry Von but I'm trying to make a point)
>
> So my making a crack about an old record executive, ask about
> slide guitar tunings, ranted Paul off.. and that makes me the
> bad guy that should just shut up for now.
>
> So what we're saying here is that you'd rather read email
> after email that say nothing but "i agree" "thanks for the
> link" "i did this and that at work today" "i drank a lot of
> beer and listened to some zep", mixed in with the
> informational and conversation worthy posts. But if Sam says
> anything off topic or something with a little bite to it the
> world comes to an end.
>
> Although not expressly mentioned, you do have a good point.
> My posts have been pointless and basically worthless for a
> while now. Understood and point taken. But what about all the
> other crap that floods this list every day. I can't imagine
> the poor people on digest that have to read the same post
> five times just because someone wanted to ad "thanks for the
> link" on the bottom and "yeah.. thanks also for the link".
>
> And since I've come this far, can we all just get off the
> damn PC kick for a bit. A man of Ahmet's age falling and
> smacking his head, and going into a coma doesn't look good
> does it? So I said he's probably gonna die. So what. It'll be
> sad for his family and friends and people he's worked with
> over his career.
> Anyone's passing is something that should be respected and is
> grief worthy.
> However, no one on this list knows the man personally and to
> take on this holier than thou attitude for saying kind words
> about him is a bit too much. Every time someone even
> associated with the band gets ill so many people jump at the
> chance to post things like "get well soon Jimmy! We're
> praying for you!". I think too many people have sat in front
> of their computer for too long and have let the internet take
> over their psyche. Just the basic idea of posting a personal
> get well message to a person that will never read it, is
> alone, bizarre.
> It's like walking around a mall showing everyone a sign that
> reads "get well soon grandma" while grandma sits in a
> hospital room all alone. It makes you feel like a good person
> but serves no other point.
>
> Since most people have stopped reading by now I'm going to
> stop wasting my time ranting. This month is my ten year
> anniversary on this list. I have to say it's been one of the
> highlights of my internet and music experience since. But I
> think it's time to throw in the towell. There have been
> plenty of good people here, and still are, but I'm getting
> tired of the one day you make good points and good to hear
> from you and the next.. shut up we don't want to hear your opinions.
>
> I can get every bit the same Zep news and information from
> the top Zep sites, and do it without all the personal posts
> about listening to zep at work.. or guess what my kid did
> today.. or i just drank some beer and I'm gonna go drink some more.
>
> And just for the record, Ahmet may very well die. Will the
> sites and news agencies that report his death be considered
> offensive for doing so? I mean really folks, I'm sorry I
> cracked a bad joke about the man and said he'll probably die.
> I just couldn't bring myself to feign conern over a man I've
> never met and come up with some sugar coated get well
> message. Honestly, how many of you lost sleep last night
> worrying about whether Ahmet Ertegun was going to pull through or not?
>
> Sorry for leaving on such a sour note after a decade but I
> can't sit here and let myself get upset over critisizms from
> people I've never met coming to me through email. It's just
> the internet. It's just a band from the '70's that we
> commonly enjoy. Nothing more. Some of you need to stop taking
> everything so damn seriously. This list has lost regulars on
> a consistent basis since I joined. Now all it is is a group
> of four or five people having a daily bs session about their
> personal lives and somehow manage to justify it by saying
> that a zep song was on in the background or by saying that at
> least one out of ten of their posts are informational.
>
> It's really sad when my other music lists, like the Hendrix
> one, are miles ahead of this one. People actually post about
> music and keep their personal lives and "very cool, thanks
> for the link!" posts out of the mix.
>