Re: Cole

["Pale Rider" <PaleRider@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Layoff and grow up? and join in with those who worship the Horned God 
who
hates the Olive Tree? I will never join in with you..............NEVER

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From: "Weiser" <weiser@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <zeppelin@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Cole


> At 11:11 AM 6/8/01 -0400, Pale Rider wrote:
> >There is a congruence in Hammer of the Gods, Stairway to Heaven, 
> >and Led
> >Zeppelin The Definitive Biography where Jimmy and Crowley and the 
> >occult
are
> >concerned.
> >I have read all three. If Richard Cole was just lying about Jimmy 
> >Page
and
> >the band, why was there no slander suit?
> >
> >If I was going to read about WWII, I would trust Audie Murphy over
someone
> >who was not there.
> >
> >If I was to read about the Manson family, I would trust Vincent 
> >Bugliosi
> >over someone who was not involved in the investigation.
> >
> >Putting your trust in the "expertise" of people on FBO, who DID NOT
travel
> >with Led Zeppelin for thirteen years, who don't have written
documentation
> >to refute Richard Cole, is like putting your trust in the National
Enquirer.
>
> Why you want to bother to bring up Page's interest in Crowley is 
> beyond
me.
> It's common knowledge that Page was interested in collecting 
> memorabilia
from
> Crowley's life. You might want to try a mailing list that deals with
Thelema.
> It might be more to your liking.
> Page's interest in alternative religion is basically a private 
> matter in
my
> opinion. What Mr. Page does to engage in "the search for the truth" 
> is
> basically his business, not ours. While we may be inspired or 
> reviled by
> his reputed interest in the Victorian Golden Dawn member who 
> started up
his
> own shebang, there are many more facets to Led Zeppelin that have 
> nothing
> to do with the fact that Page had admitted at least once, of having 
> an
> interest in the late occultist.
> There are a number of websites that are directly related to the 
> second
> edition version of the OTO, with direct links to contacts within 
> those
camps.
> What happens within those camps is again a private matter, between 
> those
> who choose to travel that path and those who have attained a degreed
status
> within the camps to assist others who aspire to follow the tenets 
> and
> programs offered by the order to discover and achieve their own 
> personal
> religious goals.
> General organizational information about this religious order is 
> publicly
> available through search engines on a fairly substantial number of 
> web
sites.
>
> There are a number of biographical sketches and many of Crowley's 
> works
> have been reprinted within the last ten years. These would likely 
> prove to
> be more useful resources for you to obtain information about the 
> OTO. This
> forum is focused on Zeppelin's music more than Jimmy's past 
> religious
> interests.
> I'm not a member of that organization, I find my own spiritual path 
> lies
> elsewhere.
>
> In addition there's another point at issue:
>  I beg to differ with you.
>
> Richard Cole's biography of Led Zeppelin is not accurate. Actually 
> being
> there is no guarantee that a storyteller will accurately report the
> happenings he or she is party to.
> Although there are a number of instances where some of the 
> information may
> approximate what went on, there are many instances that are either
> exagerrated or underplayed. I think the exaggerations were inserted 
> in
> order to make the book more appealing to those who thought they 
> would get
> the real 'lowdown' on the off-stage touring antics of Led Zeppelin. 
> I
think
> the underplayed incidents belied the fact that Peter Grant, Cole 
> himself
or
> Zep may have come close or crossed over taboo social boundaries or 
> in some
> cases possibly the occasional legal boundary that could have led 
> them into
> extremely difficult situations.
> Many of Cole's inaccuracies are bound to be due to the fact that he 
> did
not
> stay straight during his period of employment. He fell prey to 
> illicit
> recreational substances at a level that would have precluded his 
> remaining
> objective in his recollections. The fact that he highly angered 
> Jimmy with
> the publication of the book remains. I don't think any
> member of the band felt that the content of Richard Cole's book had 
> done
> them real justice.
> I agree that other authors have played it safe and stuck with other 
> forms
> of reporting the activities of the band. As far as what's been 
> stated on
> this list, I wouldn't compare what most of us have written as being 
> as
> God-awful low as The National Enquirer level of fabricated
sub-journalistic
> spew you're alluding to. Lay-off and grow-up.
> There's only been a couple of instances where extremely questionable
> material has been published that may have been put forth with ill 
> intent
on
> this list, and you'd have to take the time to search the archives 
> for the
> posts.
> Other material that has appeared on the list over the years may not 
> be
> entirely accurate but when most of us have made errors we have 
> retracted
or
> modified our statements.
> Many posts are concerned with critiques, opinions and speculations 
> about
> Led Zeppelin, none of which require support by factual accounts.
> When any of us who've given our posts any thought have had access to
> published interviews we've tried to refer to those in an attempt to 
> give
> credence to our statements. Since this is an unmoderated forum 
> instead of
a
> post-graduate university list that requires bibliographies and 
> Lists of
> Works Cited, footnotes, etc., we can expect that the level of
participation
> in the list is going to run the gamut from mundane to sublime.
> If you impose an impossibly high standard of participation you'll 
> get
> really quality material, but the quantity of it might be so low as 
> to
> render the list
> worthless over the long run.
> I think it's fun to read lots of different kinds of commentary and 
> reports
> from
> all different kinds of people who are intererested in Led Zeppelin.
> If you don't then perhaps you might find it more to your benefit to 
> look
> elsewhere for the facts. If you have something useful and pertinent 
> to let
> us in on, we'd all be happy to know what kind of constructive 
> content
you'd
> grace us with, I'm sure.
> For you to sanction the quality of Mr. Cole's published work does 
> not
> necessarily make him gain any esteem in my eyes.
> I say Hammer of the Gods is not totally accurate and can only be 
> assessed
> in the light of other biographies of the group and or it's music.
> I certainly would never rely on "Hammer of the Gods" as a tome, but
instead
> I treat it with a healthy amount of skepticism.
>
> Shar