Re: Bite It, Don't Beat It

[Jeremy Mixer <mixer@xxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Weiser wrote:

> First off,
> Who cares?
> You say Zep I and II aren't heavy, Gore-met?
> Yeah and you're living in a parallel universe where none of this 
> ever
> happened.

Hi Shar and FBOer's- I don't think he said they weren't heavier, I 
think
that he meant that he felt that there was stuff that was a lot more 
heavy
then those albums......which I still disagree with!

> Apparently you never experienced any intimacy with another human 
> being
> whilst listening to songs from these two gems. Live or otherwise. I
> really don't want to hear too much about the difference between thin
> digital sound and fat warm analog sound. We hear and speak and sing 
> in
> analog, so there. 60's psychedelic blues my toobee's. Zep's music

Maybe you don't want to hear about the difference, however, I think 
it is
something that is very important as to why the albums sound the way 
that
they do, if Led Zeppelin II had been done in 2000 by the same young, 
raw,
newly formed Led Zeppelin, while the music, notes, and arrangements 
would
remain the same (and the songs) the heaviness level probably would 
not be
as heavy. I could be wrong, I am definately not right all the time- 
and
this is one of those things that we will never know for sure.

> stands the test of time, regardless, just as other pieces of music
> each indigenous to their own time frames and colored by them are
> ineffable nonetheless. These are songs that transcend the 
> forgettable
> mush cranked out year after year. They have a life of their own;
> independent of the people who came to together to create them. Page
> had a set of sounds in mind when he tooled up for these earlier
> recordings and he conveyed as precisely as possible the exact sound
> signature he was aiming for. Robert sang like no other man I ever
> heard in a way that was compelling to listen to. Jonesey coaxed pure
> sex from his bass in a way that set up every live creature for ten
> miles around to howl at the moon. Bonzo thundered, teased, drove and
> dodged his beat back and forth, in and out among the other threads 
> in
> their sound such that you couldn't stop tapping your feet clapping
> your hands or snapping your fingers because he had everyone 
> listening
> gripped firmly by their entire being.

I agree 100%, which is the only reason I included the whole damn
paragraph. I don't agree with you often Shar, but this could not have 
been
said any better......thank you....

> Sounds like you've been listening to those albums on less than 
> perfect
> equipment to arrive at such notions.

You hit it on the nose once again....but surely the man hasn't 
listened to
the albums ond the songs on the same stereo his whole life.....People 
have
different ears, in his defence, and while I do respect gore-net's 
opinion,
I beleive he is wrong! :)

> Zeppelin's kind of heavy was unique and there was nothing else that 
> equaled
> it.
> Borrow a 3 thousand seat hall and set up a decent sound system and 
> play
> 3/25/70 live or 4/7/70 live.
> Then tell me Zep was'nt heavy.

ditto......

all the best,
Jeremy

ps-
- -that is the great thing about this list......you can have 
discussions and
even though we are all here for the love of Led Zeppelin, the 
different
opinions are interesting.