Re: WARNING: long boring post about Willy.

[William Isaacs <akrazor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 mrblonde@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> WARNING: long boring post about Willy. I've written to him before in
> disagreement and suggested to discuss things privately. He ignores my
> private posts and loves to challenge publically. My choices are thus
> narrowed to ignoring him or replying publically. Please pardon my
> choice.

Now, lets see here. I have never received any private mail from you, so
where this lie comes from, I do not know. Jean, have you received any
private mail from Kenny? He made the same claim with you I believe. I do
not believe you have received any private mail from him, and this is all
just an attempt at making me decredible. 

> Hey Willy,
> 
> Thank you for your reasoned reply. Before I consider your point of view,
> let's take a rude word count, shall we?
> 
> Bullshit: 4
> Asshole: 2
> Bastard: 1
> Fuck: 1
> Shit: 2
> 
> Very impressive! You should ask Eddie Murphy for a scriptwriting job.

Let's see here, maybe another attempt at taking the validity of my
argument out with the language I chose to use a particular time. Kenny, as
I am a major part of the IRC channel, many people on this list know that I
only use such words when I feel strongly enough about something. I had
people come on IRC last night and thank me for my post, as I had with the
previos ones in regards to you.

If it's hardball that you want to play, bring it on. Bring out some hard
proof that you have emailed me privately and tried to resolve anything.
All I have seen you do on this list is act as a trouble maker. I'm sure
others can agree to this.

> > <snip: lots of self-righteous bullshit made out to be the majority
> > opinion>
> 
> Just my opinion. I also mentioned that other people have privately
> discussed Jean's posts with me. It's a fact. I have no idea what the
> majority opinion is, and I don't care, either.

I believe you as much as I would believe a person with 10 murders on their
record pleading not guilty in a murder trial. I don't believe you have
received any mail discussing jean's posts with you until you started a
fuss about it.

> > I can see where Ed is coming from. It seems Bill does something, and
> > 20 more assholes jump on the bandwagon.
> 
> At first glance it might seem like that in this case. But when you think
> about it, Scott and Jean's disagreement is totally independent of
> anything Billy wrote. 'Carmilla' raises points Billy never wrote about.

That was not my point. My point was that if Bill does something, someone
else has to do it, and someone else has to do it. 

> > Lets see Kenny, while you are on your crusade against Jean, other things
> > that are much worse than what you might see as a self-righteous post from
> > jean are going on. People are getting harassed for speaking their opinion.
> > Could Jean perhaps be an example of that now?
> 
> Crusade is your summation. I thought I wrote something considered and
> without resorting to obscenity, to express my opinion about _how_ Jean
> writes. I've always been for her right (if you like) to post whatever
> she pleases. Given that stance, I reject your implication that I
> 'harassed' Jean for 'speaking her opinion'.

I am fully capable of using the English language myself. I have written in
replies to your other mails full of incredulous arguments and lies before
without using a single profane word. You are not honest Kenny, and while
you may have people believing you for now, that is fine, you and I know
the truth. May you choose to take the high road one day.

> > You seem to like to make a lot of accusations of who people are. For that
> > I have already lost all respect for diatribe.
> 
> And the loss of your respect hurts me so deeply. Will the sun shine ever
> again? (covers eyes with forearm)

I don't care if it bothers you or not Kenny. I don't care if anyone else
agrees with me. I don't think you even care what happens to this list to
be honest. All you care about is having a constant soap occur on this
list. 

> > fuck this social heirarchy shit, egotistical bastard
> 
> Thank you for your kind words. There is a heirarchy present on FBO,
> whether you like it or not. It is not social, but there are different
> strata like: newbies, old timers who lurk, old timers who posts a lot,
> old timers who post a lot and post good stuff like reviews, people who
> offer trees, etc. 

And you are what, old timer that posts occassionally in an attempt to
deface someone whom you do not like. That is not heirarchy as you consider
it, it is personality differences.

> Yes, there _is_ a hierarchy, but it isn't social and recognising it as
> such shouldn't make me egotistical and has little to do with my parents.

I called you egotistical because you said you had the support of the
heavies on this list. As in which heavies? As you suggest, their opinion
and preference would count more than the newbie signing up to the list who
may have even more to contribute than most of the old timers.

> 
> I note you use the word 'fuck' and advise you that, although flattered,
> I just don't dig you like that.

Funny Kenny, har har har. Insecure are we? Maybe that is why you lie so
much.

> > <snip: lots more bullshit>
> 
> (Nods in acknowlegement) Thank you. Some people just ignore thoughtful
> posts with glib obscenity. I'm glad you  aren't like that, and that you
> really took the time.

Well, you could deface my argument by the wording I chose to use, but does
that change my argument or another persons opinion of my argument based on
my inability to use grammar and vocabulary in an attempt to be efficient
with words.

> 
> 
> > Maybe she shouldn't worry what assholes like you are going to think of her
> > post because no matter how good it is, it won't be good enough for you.
> 
> Thank you for calling me an asshole. It's been a while since I was so
> honoured and it's these little verbal caresses that make a man's life a
> thing of pleasure. Just think, some people use spiteful and aggressive
> language .. what a waste of time that would be over the internet!

The word describes you well. I'm not one to normally be spiteful and
agressive, you can ask anyone who knows me. I generally am a relaxed, laid
back civil human being. But as with anyone else, I have boundries I refuse
to let anyone into.

> I have praised _many_ different posters over the years. I've agreed with
> Jean many times! I acknowleged in my post that Jean is a good trader, a
> nice person, a polite writer. I expressed my opinion that she should be
> free to post whatever she wants. I suggested that she could review her
> tone. At no time did I convey the idea that nothing she writes could be
> good enough for me. That's a conceit all your own, Willy.
> 

And when she changes her tone, you will complain about something else. She
should post in her own unique style and tone. If we all conformed to your
posting style and form, it would be boring. And if we all conformed to
your tone, this would be a sad place to be.

> > disagree with everything any one person on this lists says. I think this
> > shit with critisizing people who stuck with Zerxes for a while needs to
> > stop. That's what I see this as coming from you, and the same reason you
> > attacked me and even called me Zerxes.
> 
> Pardon me for laughing! I thought the topic of discussion was Jean and
> the tone of her posts, not your long standing grudge about the exodus
> from DG.

Laugh Kenny, make a joke out of my words. But you did venture away from
the tone of Jean's posts. Its in the archives. You are the same person who
called my Zerxes and is questioning someone else's identify. Should I have
respect for any post by you. I can verify my identity. And starting today,
I will start using one of my other email addresses so you cannot base your
argument on my account use. 

You didn't get my hint when I told you to start another list did you? As
you may have noticed, that list was set in it ways of being led by an
administrator and it was not going to change. As I said, if you want it
another way, start you own list. That has been done and the list appears
to be a mild success at the least.


peace,
Will Isaacs